Lessons from Grizz in Biz

Awesome. So let's just go ahead and get right into it. I see here that you are a 2002 marketing and information systems grad from the School of Business Administration. So with that being said, tell us a little bit about your background professionally, personally, and maybe what led to your current role. Yeah. So here while I went to OU, I was actually started my sort of internship was actually picking parts on the line at Centerline Michigan at a parts distribution center.

So that was my first entry into what was the original Chrysler at the time. And then that really led to a whole host of things. At the time, the dot coms were exploding. And what became interesting, so there was a lot of MIS grads back then, people that were going after it, and then the dot, then really the bubble burst. And all of us were pretty much out of work and there was no really where to go. And at the same time, 9-11 hit.

So then most of the companies actually in the area weren't hiring. So weirdly, I went from picking parts on the line to actually started working at OnStar as a phone operator, even though I had just graduated from college. So that was weirdly my first entry into the auto industry. And from there, Chrysler actually called back to work the phones and deal with people who were outside of warranty and see if we could assist them with any problems that had with their cars. That was my start into the auto industry here in Detroit. And from there, lots of opportunities.

began to unfold. And then for me there strangely, once you're in a call center and you're like, I need to graduate, I need to get out of this thing as fast as humanly possible. They had an opportunity in the field and it was a sales division where I actually got relocated across the country and my sales career took off from there and strangely that kind of propelled me throughout the years to get sort of this opportunity. That is super interesting. But one of the questions that I have for you is what exactly made you attend Oakland University?

My father, so I was a Chrysler brat, my father had relocated a million times. And we had just moved my senior year of high school to Shelby Township. And I went to Eisenhower, and at this point, I was not interested in going away from home. I did not want to move again. And we started looking for colleges that I could drive to, and we came and visited OU, and just fell in love with the campus, and the style, and just sort of the atmosphere, and that it was kind of just very hands-on. So for me, I think it was a perfect fit for my lifestyle.

I wanted to still be in your family and an opportunity to drive in. And then really from there, I just took, there was a lot of opportunities that unfolded and got involved in the social community. So for me, OU was actually fundamental to my growth at that point. And I've just fallen in love with the school ever since. Wanna know something interesting? I'm the exact same way as you. I actually went to Eisenhower myself and I felt the exact same way I wanted somewhere that I could drive to, stay close to my family and make friends along the way as well. So I was in the exact same boat as you. So that's super interesting.

Yeah, no that was it was important at the time and yeah, no, I don't regret it I loved my time here. Absolutely were you involved in like any organizations or clubs or yeah, we actually so I was in a fraternity I actually for a short stint went to go play for Kampe for basketball And then that was right when they went to D1 and everybody got a lot taller and could jump a lot higher and that ended That pretty quickly. Oh, yeah So that was a very short stint in the bubble before it was actually the arena was actually created right at that time And then we actually started the hockey club crazy enough, which then became the team at the time. So, OU at that time was kind of like really, really growing, starting to become more robust. And yeah, I think I was a part of a lot of that. So, I had a lot of fun while I was here. Awesome. Glad to hear that. So, I know you are a marketing and information systems grad. What made you choose that major?

Well, so marketing and selling was something I was always interested in. And then at the time, which it's just so comical, one of the first things that they were teaching in the class, in the MIS class, was literally how to use Microsoft Office. So that's like how old I am. And I asked 1000. Yeah, yeah, that was the thing, right? So you would learn that, and then the idea of being able to sell online and leverage these things was appealing to me. That sort of that ecosystem, which is now obviously exploded today, but back then that wasn't necessarily the case. So that was my interest at the time.

Awesome. Actually for myself, the reason why I chose marketing is because actually I liked selling things as well and thinking about why people bought things. So I kinda had the same mindset as you. So that's one of the reasons why I chose marketing actually. And I loved how, I actually was initially a psychology major because I was interested in how people thought. But then I realized I did not wanna go to med school. So I decided to go the business route, but still thinking about like how people thought but business related. You and I have so much in common, man. I tell you what, because psychology is another fascination of mine. I love the way just people think and work through things. And then you kind of attribute that to sales. That's just a clear connection there that I think's interesting. Love to hear that.

So, besides school work at your time here at Oakland, what did you do to keep busy? Oh, God, either between playing sports, involved in the overall, just the community and the school and any of the social clubs in school. I was more than busy. And at the time, I actually then started becoming a basketball coach at the CYO level for St. Lawrence up the road. So I coached there for a good chunk of it. So that was kind of where I still got my basketball itch. I love coaching middle school kids.

That's a good time. That's one of my passions. Do you still do anything related to basketball throughout your free time? No, strangely enough, right, when you have kids, you think they're going to follow your same passion. So, weirdly enough, my son is now quite entrenched in soccer. So, strangely enough, the one sport I did not play, he loves. And weirdly, during COVID, I decided to learn the game of soccer and became basically a Ted Lasso. I started coaching soccer while I was working at my current job through COVID. And I started coaching as an assistant to travel soccer team.

Yeah, it was actually it was busy. No, I'm definitely busy. My schedule is definitely tight, but no it was look It's a lot of fun I love learning the game but working with the kids and watching them grow and now he's gone to a level that I certainly can't Can't help him at right now. So yeah. Yeah, your time has has passed a little bit, but oh, yeah I was way past me now. So really yeah, he's only 12. So it didn't take much to get past his dad awesome, so

If you were to look back at your college aid self, would you give any advice to yourself, or what would you say to him? During my college career, so there's really two things. I think not being afraid to dive into things you may be interested in, like really having an inquisitive, creative mind, just to go see. It's a perfect opportunity and time to do that. Second is the networking piece. You don't realize how many people that you come in contact with, they're all motivated. 

They're in the school of business trying to get out as well and they're going to make connections. So just having that relationship piece can set up careers and opportunities and finding maybe a friend that got into a company because that's a huge part of getting your start. Because once you're in the door, then it's up to you. But getting in the door really it really is helpful from a connection perspective. 

So I think I would have purposely gone out built better connections, built better relationships. Most of them, they just happened by accident. It wasn't something I necessarily intended to do, but looking back at that, still some of my best friends in life are from OU, and in the business world, where a lot of us went to the same classes, it's amazing the connections that you can generate. Absolutely, and that actually reminds me, is that why you're still here, like around the area at Stellantis, because you just love the community, or what made you stay at Stellantis? 

Well, so, at the time, so I've actually, back here, god was it 12 years ago now? So when I first was in that sales district I told you about, I got sent, my first sales district, and what's funny, the company will tell you I picked three areas in the country that you wanna go. So I picked New York where I had met my wife. I picked Chicago and Arizona where I had family. So I got sent to Charleston, South Carolina. So there you go. I moved to the South and I went from Charleston to Greenville, South Carolina, to Tampa, Florida, to Orlando, Florida, and then back home

10 year period. Wow. So at the time it's you're moving up in the career, you're getting a bigger sales area, you've got sort of more opportunity and you just kind of sell yourself out for like, hey, I'm going to move anywhere you ask me to do anything it takes just to get a bigger area and that was part of what propelled me. So no, so I wasn't back here and then obviously an opportunity to come home came about with the Dodge brand and that was something we kind of jumped at. So I had little kids, got a chance to come home. Yeah, it was fun. So, but no, we enjoy being here and I don't plan on leaving anytime soon. That's awesome.

So another question I have for you is, so far throughout your career, I know you have a lot going on and you're very busy, but what would you say is one of the hardest challenges that you've dealt with so far? Look, from a hard challenges perspective, I would say, look, if you look at my career in the last 12 years, most of the brands that I've been inherited in almost every situation was in a very challenging state. So I kind of became the Mr. Fix-It, if you will, where a brand was struggling, sort of a shock to the system, get things reinvigorated. The one that I would say most people sort of remember is the Dodge brand. And many people forget that, you know, not too long ago, the number one and two selling cars was a caravan and a dart. And now today when you talk about the Dodge brand, you talk about Chargers and Challengers and Hellcats and Demons and crazy muscle cars that, you know, enthusiasts really get excited about. And that was something that I had an instrumental part in that to go from a brand that had no point of view all the way to a brand that people are rabid about was a huge moment, honestly, for me personally, as well as the fan base, and a real challenge to overcome. Absolutely. Wow.

I knew, actually I do know a lot of people that are very interested in those types of cars. So it's growing very, very rapidly. I see a lot of car meets and I see a lot of Dodge Chargers. So very interesting. But just another question that I have for you. So what's something that you experienced post-graduation that you necessarily weren't expecting and how did you overcome that? You know, I think...

It's the when you get out.

You've had this discipline in your head down the whole time. And you're learning, and you're going to every classroom, and you're following the instruction in the syllabus, and you go through the whole thing. When you get out, all of a sudden, you realize you're completely on your own to make your own way. And the challenge and having the, I'll call it that positive mental attitude and that confidence that you can do it, you can make a difference, at first it's a lonely road. And especially for me, moving across the country to Charleston, where I knew absolutely no one,

like your first real big job that actually like matters that you can sink your teeth into. When you first get out there and you're like, where do I wanna live? What do I wanna do? How do I wanna approach this? I've never lived in this house before. It's an interesting test of strength. So I think if just the opportunity again to build connections, build yourself a pipeline of places where you can go and people that you can rely on, is incredibly important when you first get started. Especially to get the confidence. Absolutely. So when you were in South Carolina, how did you deviate from, let's say, knowing that you really wanted to build your brand and working towards your career, but also, I'm sure you didn't see much family. How did you deviate in between those two things to make yourself still feel happy, to just jump in. 

So for me, I became sort of fascinated, honestly, with car dealerships and how they operated. And I was very lucky that I had a group, the Rick Hendrick Group, it's kind of the famous NASCAR racing team, Rick Hendrick and his auto dealers down there in the south. And they took me under their wing. And they made me feel a part of the store. And even though I didn't actually work there, I worked there. I worked at the desk, I took up. So I was really trying to figure out how this business worked and surrounded myself with people that were into it.

When you quickly start to learn, you're like, okay, I can make an impact, I have ideas, can we actually sell more, do more? And quickly, you got an opportunity to go for it. So I think that helped fill me up in the very beginning and try to just immerse yourself in the community was a huge opportunity for me. Exactly, and just knowing and connecting with people, even in South Carolina, you know, so. No, that was more of a challenge, I'm not gonna lie to you. It was a challenge for you. Being a northerner coming to the south, they're the nicest people in the world, but it takes a little bit to get yourself especially coming from New York and Detroit, down into Charleston, South Carolina, it's just a little bit different of an ecosystem. Yeah, well I mean I can see that you've been across the country at this point, so you've seen a lot of cultures, I'm sure. Yeah, at least in the US, and then obviously more traveling outside now, so. Okay, wow. So.

Another question that I have for you, throughout your college career, was there a defining moment for you where you knew you wanted to pursue in the automotive industry?

You know, honestly, I wouldn't say college. There's two things that I remember. Weirdly, it's just down the street, Great Oak Country Club. Okay, I've heard of that. Yeah, that was one, right? So it's a nice country club. And I worked there for quite a while in college as well. It was sort of like my second job. So when you worked there, and you're surrounded by influential people and people that have had a great deal of success in life, because I mean, at that place, that's what you're going to find. And you quickly get motivated to, I want more.

I don't want to just be this. So I think for me, I remember those moments. Like I remember how it felt. And I would do anything that it takes to try to get that opportunity and that shot. It's the same thing when you wake up, you get there at five o'clock in the morning and you're picking parts on the line. It's another one of those kind of humbling moments of, okay, I need to put my head down. I need to get my college degree. I need to create opportunities because I think I can offer more. Absolutely. Those I remember. Those still drive me. I probably still have a chip on my shoulder. That just drives me of just wanting to do more

Yeah, what would you say was your point in your life actually that you realize? Okay, I think I've had this under control or I think I've made it to where I want to be or have you not got there yet Oh, I Hear I guess here for him for my new role as a CEO. I mean, I'm insanely humbled at the opportunity I mean, I understand the gravity and to get an opportunity like this at this age or at this point in my career

I would say if you look back, there was, particularly like in my early 30s on that Dodge brand, when you actually create something that the world gets excited about and people are writing about and you're like, oh my God, look at how many people are fascinated by what we just did. There's a level of like, no, I can do this. I can actually make a difference. I can create something that the world will actually pay attention to. And this is advice that I would tell, I tell anybody. So I usually get asked to come do like the intern presentations, right? Come talk to them. If I could go back, I genuinely believe this, like in your life and where you're gonna go. So between 20 and 30, you want, when you get out, when you get out of school, you wanna surround yourself with opportunities. You just wanna get in. You wanna learn everything you humanly possibly can and chase the jobs that are gonna teach you more. Make yourself uncomfortable, dive in, experience different parts of the business.

Then by the time you're 30, you need to align yourself to a company and opportunities where, okay, you've learned some things, you attach yourself to the right people, and don't just chase the money. I would tell everybody, don't just chase the money. Chase the person that will take you under their wing, that understands your talent, and they want to see you grow. They want to take you with them. Because 30 to 40 is where you're gonna make your impact. That is in your life stage, kinda in that window. That's where you need to attack. And then when you get paid 40 to 50, that's when it will all come together. But if you look at sort of, I'll call it, attitude of a person. When you're 20, you're so fired up. You're so fired up, but you don't know anything. By the time you're 40.

You're not fired up as much as you were when you were 20, but you certainly know a lot more. You've got the knowledge. So that window between 30 and 40 is when you got the nice balance of, I've learned some things, I've got real credibility, I can make an impact, and I'm still fired up. Absolutely. So, and then by the time you're 40, you should be teaching and growing and helping other people and leading if you're kind of looking at a trajectory of a career. So that's kind of my advice to everybody is purposefully pursue the people that'll make a difference in your life. Don't always just chase the money. It will all come. And I would, if I could go back and tell myself, I was nowhere near patient enough, even though I've had this crazy trajectory that everybody remembers, I was still so frustrated. So frustrated. You know, like, why haven't I got my shot yet? Did you attend career fairs and all of that jazz?

Yeah, we started there, I don't think they were as robust as it is now. I look at what Solantis does at OU and the amount of connections that we have and I think the school's like the school of business here. We've done so much more to connect our community to major companies. It didn't exist the same way. He used to show up with a folder in literally your resume and you would just hand this out to anybody that would talk to you and try to get them to look at you for two seconds so that maybe you can get an impact with all these people there. It's so different now. We can be precise.

we can actually gain interest so much earlier. So, yeah, that's how it was back then. But for me, it was a shocker when, like, there's all of a sudden no opportunities. Like, the world changed after 9-11, and literally, what do you do? How do you get a job? So...

Yeah, it's an interesting process. But for me, I just needed to get in. It was always my attitude. Just get in. Once I'm in, I'll make it happen. Just fake it till you make it. Pretty much. My boss always says act as if. Act as if. My mentor, yeah. Act as if. Yeah, if you want it, just take it. Love it. So throughout your time, did you have any mentors or anybody that helped you? Oh yeah, no, I'll tell you, I've got a couple that changed my life. One is Tim Kuniskis was my boss for the better part a little over a decade. He is, you know,

He's the godfather of the Hellcat. He was the CEO of Dodge. He took me under his wings. He promoted me like nine times. I owe that guy a lot and I learned a lot. I'm still learning from him all the time. So for me now to have really be in charge of my own brand in Jeep and he's still the CEO of Ram today. So to have somebody that you look up to that had that kind of impact on your life and really showed you a certain level of discipline and attitude towards business, it was huge. And I was very lucky, and this is what I was talking about, they'll take you under your wing. I had six people in a row that went on in the auto industry to be senior vice presidents or CEOs, all in a row. I would have never, never, ever, ever got some of the learnings I had if I wouldn't have met and seen those people in action. And for me, it's all about seeing them, how they behave, their leadership, the way they approach business every day. So that's why I think finding people that are that instrumental and care about you will make a huge difference. Where did you find those people? Dumb luck, man. I'll just tell you love luck.

I was in Florida and on behalf of Dodge, I was the local Dodge marketing manager. And I wrote a proposal on what was wrong with Dodge. And the old CEO had switched at the time and the new one happened to get it on his desk. He's one of those dumb luck things. And he strangely was like, what is this? And it's like, oh, you know. It's...

Kid in the field in the sales group wrote this thing about what was wrong with Dodge and I weirdly got on this short interview list and everyone's told me you will never get this job. You're going to fly to Detroit right now and you're going to go meet Reid Bigland and he's going to interview you.

So I went in there with absolutely nothing to lose, said everything I ever wanted to say about what I thought, figured I would just leave, hopefully I didn't make a fool of myself, and 48 hours he called me back and said, you're now head of Dodge product for North America. Wow. I was just like, wait, what? So that's how I got moved back to Michigan. And then we started having some fun with some Dodges. Started making some cool stuff. Love it. Actually, with that being said, what keeps you passionate about the work you do at Jeep every day?

Look, for me, I've become very much aware that we're talking, this is a company of, let's call it 300,000 people that work here. There's tons of suppliers. So there are people that the food that goes on their plates every single day, a plant worker, a working person at CTC, whatever it might be. They survive on the cars that we sell. We keep plants running at the end of the day. I mean, that's what I do. Right. I get customers excited so they buy cars so I can build more cars to keep people working, keeping Americans working every day.

and seeing what they go through to make sure that they got a check is all the motivation that you need. You multiply that times the people that literally are cheap nuts. They're just psychopaths passionate about the brand, the history, the military, America. Yeah, right, it's all part of being cheap. There's a lot riding on it, right? It means a lot to a lot of people that they identify with. So I take that with a great deal of seriousness that I have to defend that point of view, that thing that means so much.

Absolutely. And with that being said actually, do you guys have any like tactics like for those rubber ducks that people use on Jeep or is that just a self-made marketing tool? No, so look the rubber ducks was started by a fan. I mean that was somebody that started it and at Jeep events and then we actually ended up taking a giant rubber duck and putting it down at one of the events the Detroit Auto Show and the thing now is is rabid. 

So if you go sit in the parking lot like you might find a duck on your car somebody that just to maybe what you've done to it at the events. But yeah, the Jeep's a deep passion point. And it's pretty fun to see people that just excited about something that you do. Yeah, usually I see that when people own a Jeep, they own a Jeep and they love their Jeep with so much passion. Yeah, and if something's wrong, they'll let you know. So yeah, we take that with a great deal of seriousness and it's fun to be around. A Jeep event is unlike any other. Oh yeah, I'm sure. So another question that I had for you.

Is there anyone you'd like to especially shout out from Oakland University?

anybody that was a mentor for you, helped you out throughout your career. I would say, look, I had some, my friends at that time frame, the people that were in that group, you had six of them from OU all stood up in my wedding. Oh wow. Yeah, so like Jay Russ and Nick McQuire, and there was Steve Franey and all these guys. Yeah. The relationships I made here was life-changing for me because I told you, I went to a high school in my senior year.

I didn't know anybody, like you don't know what happens. Then you go to college and you make these connections that literally, like they last a lifetime. So, so many friends from that era that I think that's where I would probably have the most impact because we kind of battled through that time together. But there were so many professors that made a difference. I'll tell you about the public speaking. Oh yeah. So for me, the business classes and the comms classes, public speaking for one, now that I get on stage and you got cameras on you and auto shows

I still go back to many of the principles that you learned, just the energy and talking to the entire classroom and those things. It's the same discipline, now there's just a thousand people in the crowd instead of 30. But it's the same stuff. So no, I loved my time here, absolutely loved it. I think I love my time here too, so I'm glad we're on that same page. But I actually noticed something on your arm, it said last tenth. Oh, my last tenth bracelet, yeah. Do you wanna tell the viewers what that is about? So yeah, so that's a good story. So my mentor, you mentioned earlier Tim Kuniskis,

He always talks, he has a couple of disciplines, couple of life lessons that you have. And the last 10th we always talk about is the difference between really making something truly great, truly special, truly memorable. A lot of people do enough work to get an A. They'll get 90% at work and they'll hear a job or a classroom and they'll say, oh, I did a good job. And it is. The last 10th, that last 10%, that's the difference between being truly memorable, like no one remembers an A.

Yeah, an a-plus somebody that risked it all put it all on the table and went for it and went big and watched it hit big Mm-hmm. Those are the ones you remember Those are the ones with legacy So we started so he started the last tenth and you know right now Stalantis has a lot of growing to do We got a lot of areas to improve So we've he handed out bracelets after the last speech that we just gave and really the entire mantra at

last little bit of excitement, it's the details. And then you were picking on my LFG on the other side, so that's for the sales force, so you know what it stands for. But yeah, well, we'll leave that off the podcast today. But nonetheless, the place is fired up right now. There's a lot of people passionate about improving. So between really putting in that last little bit of effort and the tenacity to make a difference, that's what you're seeing in our company right now. That's awesome. Another question that I had for you, real quick.

So I know that you talked about you were on the hockey team. I played some hockey, yes. You had some hockey. Yeah, it was the club team. It got so big so quick that you had players in there that were just absolutely extraordinary. And then it turned into what it is now, which is awesome. Yeah, I think we have a D3 team, I think it is. D2. Yeah, are we D3?

that you would know better than me if they are now. But I mean, it might be D1 at this point. Yeah, it went from completely, honestly, I don't know. Wow. I don't know what division it is. But yeah, no, it was literally the inception. Wow. A whole bunch of us at, it was literally started at roller hockey and then went to ice hockey and then it actually turned into a club. Love it. I think they play at the Onyx, I think, a lot of the time, suburban. So a lot of good places. Another question I have for you. So what is your best advice for current students looking to set themselves up success graduation.

The biggest thing you can do during, I mean obviously, okay, you got all your classes, all that stuff that's in front of you. But you wanna go make connections and learn different industries so that you can figure out where you want to go. Internships are incredibly helpful to go experience types of business, see businesses. Think about how many people that have, I don't know, a parent or a counselor or somebody in the school of the business that might have a connection to say, hey, can I just come for a day and see your business? Can I just see what you do? So that you really understand. When I was a sophomore,

I wanted to be an attorney. So I went with someone to courtrooms. I wanted to see what attorneys actually do. And then outside the courtroom. And I found out I hated it. I was like, there is no way I want to do this. And there's grind away reading books all day, every day, and going through all these documents. I find cases fascinating. I still do. But I just wanted to be in the courtroom and the guy that's like, you can't handle it. That was kind of what I wanted to do, like the prosecutor. But no, I didn't. But for me, the advice would be, businesses, see where you might want to start. So that way you're like, okay, that's for me, I'm good at that, I would like that, or I'm passionate about that, maybe I want a career in that. Because once you get your business degree, there's so many more things you want to do. So many places you can go, or things that might inspire you to be a part of. It'll make a huge difference in your daily work. Do you recommend, are you students that have graduated to look for MBA possibilities, or?

What could you do with a master's degree? What would you say about that? A master's degree is by no means bad. It's by no means bad. If depending on the job market and your opportunities, the way that I looked at it is there's so much debt associated with going to college, potentially on where you go. Some colleges, I mean, it can be very, very expensive. You're in massive debt. At the same time, all right, if you go to a company that believes in you and they've got good programs, they'll pay for your master's. So you just need to get in the door and start making money and start paying off your debt and start working through it and you may be able to find programs like that, especially if you're having success. 

So it's not necessary to do it. Now, if you go to the master's program, yes, if you can get that done and you can have an accelerated sort of learning, you can very quickly actually command a higher salary. So it's really that value equation to me based on where you're at in your life, do you want to stay in college and continue to finish it? And do you have the resources to finish it? If you do, you can go get it and it'll pay off for you long-term. You can also command more when you first get out. And OU has already shown proof of you get your master's degree, you can command more, and you're more competitive in the marketplace. But at the same time, you could get in, get your degree, start making money, and you can do many, many flexible programs today, like OUs, that you could get your master's degree and do it while you're working at the same time. So I think you just got to individually balance it out. It's not required to get a job. It's not. At the same time, yeah, it'll certainly help you. 

So I think it's just more of a financial situation of how bad you want to get out there. Awesome. And the job market, right? I mean, if the job market's hopping and you can go take one, get in. Exactly. Yeah, if it's definitely tougher, all right, maybe you want to stay and get your masters and keep doing something else and working it down. Yeah, well, if there's an opportunity, you should take it, you know? That's always a good way to put it. I agree completely. Absolutely. Well, unfortunately, this is the wrap-up time for this podcast, but I do have one quick question for you. 

If you could give a one-sentence piece of advice to all OU students, especially the School of Business students, what would you say to them? Just in one sentence. Oh, in one sentence. Let's see. Um, look.

My advice to you, so if you're in the school business, you're in your career path, follow things you are passionate about, while also good at. People say, do what you love. Chase what you love. Well, the more you do it, it doesn't necessarily always...

give you the living that you're looking for, where you want something that you enjoy. You're looking for a passion point. So I would say, follow what you're passionate about, while also good at it. Awesome. All right, well you hit it here first, everyone. That was Bob Borderdorf. Thank you so much for your time today. It was a pleasure hosting you and hearing all about your background and your experiences and you as a person. I appreciate you so much. Appreciate the opportunity to come speak with you and look to all the Golden Grizzlies out there. Go Grizzlies and have a great year. Go Grizzlies. Awesome.

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